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Santorum to Rape Victims: 'Make the Best Out of a Bad Situation'
Standing steadfast as the most socially right-wing candidate in the GOP presidential field, Rick Santorum has repeatedly touted his extreme anti-choice position, which dictates that abortion should be uniformly illegal, even in cases of rape or incest. He even suggested that physicians who provide abortions to such victims should be criminally charged.
Last Friday, CNN's Piers Morgan asked Santorum to clarify his reasoning behind such a callous position. Insisting that "it's not a matter of religious values," Santorum explained that sexual assault victims should "accept this horribly created" pregnancy because it is "nevertheless a gift in a very broken way" and that, when it comes down to it, a victim just has "to make the best out of a bad situation":
Santorum: Well, you can make the argument that if she doesn't have this baby, if she kills her child, that that, too, could ruin her life. And this is not an easy choice. I understand that. As horrible as the way that that son or daughter and son was created, it still is her child. And whether she has that child or doesn't, it will always be her child. And she will always know that. And so to embrace her and to love her and to support her and get her through this very difficult time, I've always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created - in the sense of rape - but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you. As you know, we have to, in lots of different aspects of our life. We have horrible things happen. I can't think of anything more horrible. But, nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation.
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The problem with Santorum's sense of humanity is that it doesn't seem to extend to the victim. The emotional and physical trauma endured during and after a sexual assault often leaves a woman feeling robbed of any control over her own body and welfare. Robbing a woman of the choice to decide what to do with such "horribly created" consequences only contributes to the victim's trauma.
What's more, Santorum's argument forces a woman in these circumstances to share his religious beliefs and "accept what God has given to [her.]" A woman may very well share his belief and decide to carry the pregnancy to the term, but the fundamental point is that that should be her choice - not the government's, and certainly not Santorum's.
- 36 votes
The emotional and physical trauma endured during and after a sexual assault often leaves a woman feeling robbed of any control over her own body and welfare. Robbing a woman of the choice to decide what to do with such "horribly created" consequences only contributes to the victim's trauma.
And yet more proof that this guy just doesn't get it...and denigrates the rights of women at every possbile turn.
- 37 votes
Typical phallus-brained patriarchal horse's behind, more worried about an undeveloped embryo than who it's in or how it got there -- not that either of those are any of his business if he isn't the one who put it there -- and completely lacking in any care, respect or compassion for the woman, or for the baby once it's born. He should be the bottom sometime; it might teach him something his brain cannot learn to find out what a complete violation rape is, even if he can't get knocked up as a result.
- 37 votes
Wow, James, very powerful statement! Thanks for that one!
- 19 votes
Well.
In defense of the man...
You guys ARE familiar with the old adage:
"When life punches you in the face, throws you down in a urine-soaked alley, tears the clothes from your body and forcibly impregnates you while holding a knife to your throat...
Make lemonade."
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What an incredible piece of @!$%# this man is. [/not sarcasm]
- 43 votes
I think Santorum answered the question as well as it could have been answered...I respect everything this man has done in regards to making a stand in the defense of innocent babies!
- 1 vote
But, nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation.
Who's "we?"
- 27 votes
Comment collapsed by the communityMaking abortion illegal will not save a single fetus, since desparate women will find and have abortions whether they are legal or illegal. The real question is whether we as a country want to kill and maim millions of American girls and women again by sending them to backalley abortion butchers. All Roe vs Wade did was make something that effects only women a medically safe and legal procedure. The 1973 ruling gave middle class and poor women the same right to control their own bodies as as rich women have had since the turn of the 20th century. Santorum knows that he or his family will never be impacted by outlawing abortion, and has already proven he will use free choice abortion if it is in the best interests of his family. It's the rest of us he doesn't trust to make that choice.
- 22 votes
And, another example of why so many people really REALLY despise fanatics of all stripes.
They are as sociopathic as any rapist, and a thousand tiimes more sadistic because they actually think thru their vicious cruelty and create rationalizations for why it should be inflicted on others.
- 14 votes
Fumler,
....I respect everything this man has done....
Does that include he and his wife having that late term abortion they had performed with her last pregnancy?
- 24 votes
Makes you wish Mr Santorum could have the experience of a violent rape ...so he can relate, you know, have an "intimate" understanding of the whole experience.
- 11 votes
Hmmm, wonders is a zygote can be independent of another human being, cry, and think? No? Then I guess it's not a baby. What about a fetus, does it live independently of another being? No? Then I guess it's not a baby.
- 18 votes
Of course, he can say that because (1) neither he nor his are in that situation and (2) he's completely out-to-lunch in the first place.
Who wants to take the sucker's bet that, should Santorum's wife (or daughter, etc.) be assaulted and impregnated by some dirtbag, he'd put her on the first thing smokin' to somewhere where she could have a safe, legal abortion---that is, after he succeeds in having the procedure and anyone involved criminalized in this country?
It's easy to make decisions over other peoples' personal lives when "you" don't have to be around for the consequences. Perhaps Mr. Santorum ought to have to break off (financially) to support these children...wonder how he'd feel about making the best of a bad situation then?
Wouldn't it be great if some of these "pro-life" types cared as much about people who are already walking around on this earth, as they do about zygotes?
- 16 votes
Keep telling yourself that if you have to, I'm sure it helps you rationalize somehow in your head that it's okay to defend the murder of 50,000,000+ innocent babies....Kind of like the guards at Auswitch probably slept at night believing in their minds that the Jews were not really people!
Then I have a question for you:
You're in a burning building, to your left there is a small refrigeration unit filled with ~50,000 viable embryos - and to your right there is a crying infant. You are only able to carry one to safety. Which do you choose and why?
When you get an answer, come on back. Until that time I suggest you refrain from debates about prochoice/prolife, because obviously it would mean you haven't thought your position through enough.
- 16 votes
Santorum to Rape Victims: 'Make the Best Out of a Bad Situation'
Is that Santorum's secret fantasy. Getting raped by some of his closeted friends.
This man needs some serious mental therapy along with Batty Bachmann, Nutty Newt, Righteous Romney, and Pretty Perry. you just know that Santorum has the hotties for Pretty Perry.
- 8 votes
fumier - a little biology regarding zygotes:
After fertilization, the zygote travels three or four days through the fallopian tube toward the body of the uterus. During this time, the cell starts to divide. By the time the zygote reaches the body of the uterus, it consists of 16 to 50 cells and is called a morula. The morula collects large cells at the periphery of the ball and becomes an outer casing with a connected inner group of cells surrounded by a fluid space. At this stage, the structure is termed a blastocyst. The blastocyst implants on the inner layer of the uterus, called the endometrium, approximately eight to 10 days after fertilization, where it will obtain nourishment. In as many as 50% of all pregnancies, the zygote fails to reach the implantation stage, in which it becomes an embryo.
So, are you saying that a woman who creates a zygote:morula is responsible for the lack of implantation? Do you expect/demand that a woman who prior to her menstrual cycle has unprotected intercourse that she should monitor her flow for these poor little children (your term) who don't implant so she can find a facility ready to freeze the morula for possible implantation later. Will she be guilty of child neglect if she simply flushes the toilet without looking.
(Yeah, I know my comment is silly, but so is most of the reasons the anti-choice crowd (fumier and Santorum included) with their mindless adherences to a non-scientific, a woman has no rights attitude.)
- 13 votes
I'm sure it helps you rationalize somehow in your head that it's okay to defend the murder of 50,000,000+ innocent babies
If you were to go into a coma what would you be?
If you were a fetus would you be in a coma?
Thought is living - without it you are merely breathing.
Religion is fiction.
- 9 votes
But, nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation.
Who's "we?"
^^^
Is this Santorum's way in admitting that he raped girls in the past.
- 8 votes
no doubt he got the idea from his wife, whenever he climbs on
- 6 votes
abortion should be uniformly illegal, even in cases of rape or incest. He even suggested that physicians who provide abortions to such victims should be criminally charged.
And that is tantamount to being an accessory to the crime of rape and incest. It's nothing more than prolonging the violation and the violence. Barbaric, cruel and ignorant. It's no different from a co-conspirator holding the victim down while the crime is prolonged. Outrageous.
- 10 votes
More you learn about GOPhers, farther you want them from power.
- 7 votes
A fetus is not a baby. A zygote is not a baby.
Keep telling yourself that if you have to, I'm sure it helps you rationalize somehow in your head that it's okay to defend the murder of 50,000,000+ innocent babies....Kind of like the guards at Auswitch probably slept at night believing in their minds that the Jews were not really people!
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#1.10 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:04 AM PST
Does that mean God is worse than Hitler, because of the millions of fetuses God has aborted through miscarriages?
Also, didn't Santorums' wife date an abortion doctor and have an abortion herself!?! Hypocrisy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2087812/Rick-Santorums-wife-Karen-love-affair-abortion-doctor.html
Revealed: Wife of pro-life presidential candidate Rick Santorumhad love affair with abortion doctor 40 years her senior... who delivered her as baby
- Pro-life campaigner, 51, was a nursing student
http://jezebel.com/5873158/rick-santorums-anti+abortion-stance-would-have-killed-his-own-wife
Karen Santorum's difficult pregnancy and resultant life-saving, induced early delivery is no secret; in a 2004 interview with NPR's Terry Gross, her husband characterized the 1996 procedure as a harrowing but necessary. Karen, in her 19thweek of pregnancy, received a risky surgery to save a pregnancy that doctors thought had little chance of survival. After the surgery, she came down with an infection, and doctors told Rick that unless the source of the infection — the fetus — was removed, his wife would die and his already-born children would be motherless. The doctor also told Santorum that his wife's fetus would not survive outside of the womb. According to Santorum, Karen went into labor as a result of the antibiotics, and then doctors gave her a drug that further induced labor. She delivered, and unfortunately the doctors were right.
Santorum is a piece of @!$%# hypocrite who would kill the daughter or wife of another to save his conservative persona, but is happy to date a women who dated an abortion doctor, and is happy to condone his wife having a life saving abortion at the expense of the life of the fetus. Santorum is a piece of @!$%# of a human being, ready to kill the loved ones of others, but not his own, and just for votes & a (false) Christian values persona.
- 9 votes
I'm sure it helps you rationalize somehow in your head that it's okay to defend the murder of 50,000,000+ innocent babies....
It's not OK to murder, or defend the murder, of 50 million innocent babies. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about legal abortion as well as the ancillary rights to autonomy, self-determination and privacy that go along with it.
And for those who can justify and defend their pro-abortion-rights position, there is no rationalizing necessary whatsoever. And until you can dispense with your own rationalizing and emotionalizing and defend your position in light of the secular, civil-only nature of our Constitution, then I'm afraid you don't have much credibility, or at least anything to discuss.
Your position is obviously, logically, not about defending life or rights, because your position is inconsistent with the life and rights of the very real person involved, and that is the woman, not the fetus she's carrying.
So, you have a major glitch in logic right there. And, predictably, pointing that out is the one sure-fire way of stopping most pro-lifers dead in the water. This is when they scamper away because they don't have any kind of justification for that inequity in rights and life protection--they can't explain how the rights of a fetus supercede the rights of a very real, bonafide person.
But as always, I'm listening...
- 7 votes
Your position is obviously, logically, not about defending life or rights, because your position is inconsistent with the life and rights of the very real person involved, and that is the woman, not the fetus she's carrying.
I'm sure Rick Santorum had that realization when the doctor was telling him that his wife was due to walk through heavens' gates by weeks end if the living fetus was not torn from her womb as soon as possible unfortunately guaranteeing the death of the unborn child sending it to the gates of hevan instead of his wife. Santorum was told that he needed to choose between his wife or the unborn living child, and he made the practical choice of choosing his living breathing wife over his living child in his wifes' womb. For Santorum at that moment there was very little choice if any - Santorum chose to save the being who was halfway through the race of life, rather than the being that had barely, if at all, left the starting line.
- 5 votes
...relax and enjoy it.
That was Clayton Williams advice to rape victims in 1990 during his campaign for governor of the State of Texas. He flushed his political career right down the toilet with that one.
I hope Mr. Santorum has his withdraw from the race speech ready because he's circling the bowl faster than I can type this.
- 6 votes
As with most "right to lifers" they are actually "right to birthers" because they don't care about the child after it is born... just that it gets born... they don't care that the mother may live a life of poverty and welfare... in fact they want to ensure that they don't get any welfare at all... they should go out and work to support that child...
so if you want to outlaw abortion be prepared to help support all of those babies that you so want in the world. Oh but you don't want to do that so SHUT THE @!$%# UP
the man is @!$%#ing insane.
- 28 votes
#2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:27 AM ESTDitto, Ripley. He is out of his f'n mind. What if it were his daughter or wife? I'll bet he would have a different opinion then!!
- 14 votes
I know a lot of women voters don't like Santorum .. for a number of reasons.
A lot of men don't get it - yet they are at the forefront and in the majority of the pro-life movement.
How much more bizarre can you get!!!!!
Women are still fighting for their rights, equal pay and to make their vote count.
If ALL eligible women voted - we would have an all pro-choice congress.
Pro-life is a combination of political exploitation, unbridled theocracy and sexism.
- 8 votes
This dude is seriously @!$%#ed up and IMO, so is anybody who agrees with his drabble.
Are you kidding me? Make the best of it?
To me, thats exactly what their doing when they abort the fetus. In fact, thats exactly what their doing. This idiot -and those of you who agree with him- are absolutely insane. I wouldn't vote this clown Dog Catcher, let alone President.
What a waste. He should have been shot into a Cleenex. Somebody find his dad and just slap him. Or tell him to masterbate more. Something. Because he damned sure shouldn't be having anymore kids.....
- 5 votes
amen to that rip, @!$%#ing insane in deed and diction indeed
- 3 votes
Okay, so let's trash the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and turn everything back over to the Pope and Rome.
- 1 vote
Disgusting.
Why the hell is this person still in the public conversation?
- 23 votes
#3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:52 AM ESTProbably for the same reason that people who live downwind of a sewage treatment plant tend to talk about it once in a while.
- 19 votes
Because as hard as it may be for us on the Left to believe much of America thinks this way. Just as many believe women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.
Ziggy Brezinski was talking earlier about the dangers of ignorance in a democracy because if we have an ignorant majority we are going to continually make ignorant decisions as a country.
- 7 votes
WE are already rapidly approaching having an ignorant VOTING majority ...... 46% voted for Palin-McCain!
That is precisely why the real majority needs to get off their asses and vote in 2012.
Else you can kiss good bye to democracy and your democratic rights!
The GOTP plutocrats in the minority want an ignorant majority - and thus the decline of public education as well as the rise of gated States, private schools and un-affordable colleges and Universities
- 9 votes
I liked McCain, not Palin - but I liked McCain (especially at first)...
But then of course the early vestiges of the Palinesque nutcases started to get to him and he began getting 'weird' and began stepping off the sanity bus in favor of the short bus.
- 4 votes
Just as many believe women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.
Wait a second.....
Thats not the way it's supposed to be?
Rotflmao.....
(I'm just KIDDING! )
- 4 votes
How would Santorum know about what it's like to be raped and getting pregnant as a result?
I say let him go through it first, then we can talk about "making the best out of a bad situation".
- 14 votes
#6 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:25 AM ESTSantorum on the:
Jobless - It's like being on vacation all the time.
Homeless - I remember when we would go camping and how much fun that was.
Hungry - Just think how good you look on that diet.
/s
- 24 votes
#7 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:34 AM ESTThis guy is very sick. He actually believes that women have to carry a baby of their rapists?! "Oh, I'm sorry that you gotten rape, but you still have to carry the baby and care for it!" BS! Does this sicko ever think that his idea would give the green-light for men to rape many women as possible to pass their 'genes', knowing the women can not abort a pregnancy?! I definitely will fight to see this Santorum's 'society' become reality.
- 11 votes
#9 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:42 AM ESTIt's something that can't happen to him, why should he care, the dumb...
- 12 votes
This man isn't sick he is just a fanatic you see his ideas about a fetuses right to life trample a womans right to choose period.
I don't think the average woman would like to carry a rapist baby.
- 9 votes
I sincerely doubt that men would be encouraged to rape beause a woman can't abort. It is another illogical statement given by those who have little respect for life.
Santorum said to make the best of the situation. In his view, that means going the 9 months and giving the baby up for adoption. In your view, it means terminating the life within her. So if you think abortion is the best situation, then you agree with Santorum's first statement.
- 2 votes
littleboy... Maybe you don't understand that a woman's right to choose trumps that of a rapist's baby. I really can't see why you think a woman should carry a rapist's baby to term, especially given not all women can handle the mental stress of doing such a thing on top with the emotional fallout from being rape.
So maybe you should think twice before agreeing with Santorum that a woman, being a victim, have to suffer more. Letting her having the abortion is better than carrying the baby to term when she can't hanlde it.
Besides, it's not yours or Santorum's decision to make! It's belongs to the woman!
- 11 votes
Santorum said to make the best of the situation.
Until the millions of rape kits (often at the expense of the victim) sitting on shelves across the nation are processed and the rapests are prosecuted, @!$%# Santorum and those like him.
- 9 votes
Santorum said to make the best of the situation. In his view, that means going the 9 months and giving the baby up for adoption.
Do you think that that solution should be the law of the land? And would he try to make it that way?
- 6 votes
Let not forget that many children are killed because their parents resent and hate them. Many of those children are children that the parents felt forced to keep, children of rape or incest or even unwise choices.
So a woman get raped, forced to bear the child despite her desire not to, counseled to forgive the child that's a reminder with every breath of the day her life was destroyed, counseled to bond with it and yes, I do mean that. They say that the mother can always give it up but then smother the mother with disapproval at her failure to be a REAL mother and accept the child. Then lock her up when her resentment overtops and she kills the child. Why not prevent all this in the first place.
- 8 votes
What are men doing talking about this??????!!!!!!!
Why not, Coral? Can't they also be advocates for a woman's rights?
- 6 votes
Yes Coral - I am a firm advocate of a woman's right to choose, equal pay for equal work, etc. What makes you think we either shouldn't be part of the discussion or have no right to be? Wouldn't that make you almost as narrow minded as those you rail against? Don't we have wives, daughter's, mothers and sisters?
- 8 votes
As a man I'm with CPO Sharkey, and even though we are just 'sperm donors' I think men are still allowed a certain level of input.
Like in my relationship, if my gf was pregnant and was considering terminating the pregnancy, I would very much appreciate her asking me for input and discussing it with me. Although I fully concede to her that it's ultimately her decision, I think it's still important to include the counterpart. We are part of the equation afterall.
In terms of Santorum looking to dictate to women he doens't even know - that's another story all together.
- 4 votes
I'm grateful for all the men who stand up for women's rights. Don't stop or think you're intruding or being presumptuous. However, I would imagine Coral was referring to those men who presume to know better than women when it comes to their life choices, as if to say women aren't smart enough to know what's good for them or what's right and moral in the world. If that's what he was saying, I agree that I wish those guys would butt out.
- 2 votes
Making the best out of life after rape for some women would involve access to abortion. Why would anyone even dream that they would have the right to deny them that option? Just how arrogant must one be to believe that one's own personal religious convictions trump those of anyone else? Abortion has been legalized by the democratic process. It's time people like Santorum learn to accept that the majority prevails.
- 16 votes
#10 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:45 AM ESTRoe vs. Wade will not be reversed unless the makeup of the SCOTUS is radically changed. And that would take 8 years of "Christian" fanatics holding the Presidency and the Senate.
- 16 votes
Roe vs. Wade will not be reversed unless the makeup of the SCOTUS is radically changed.
Alas, if that was only true. Sadly, the SCOTUS is nearing a tipping point where this could actually happen. Maybe one more seat to sway in the direction of the fanatics might get the job done. It's something that we should all be concerned with!
Just one more reason to vote Obama 2012!
- 8 votes
Roe V Wade has nothing to do with abortion. It has to do with a patients right to privacy.
How do you stop RvW from being reversed? Threaten to publish all of Congress's ED medication prescriptions if it is.
Without R v W, there is no HIPAA. All patient/doctor privacy acts are built off of Roe Vs Wade.
- 7 votes
littleboy: So when are you releasing YOUR medical records to the public? After all, Roe v. Wade was about PRIVACY, not abortion.
By the way, I thought the GOTP were for LESS government intrusion into the lives of Americans. Guess that only means MALE Americans, huh?
And when will you advocate that men be required to get a colonoscopy each and every time he wants a LEGAL medical procedure done? What's good for women (forced sonograms as in Texas and other states) should be good for men, too, after all....
- 2 votes
It'd be interesting to see how quickly their views on the subject would change if it was their own wife or daughter.
- 12 votes
#11 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:04 AM ESTIt wouldn't, it would all be swept under the rug and hushed up.
- 10 votes
Actually, Santorum "allowed" his wife to have a late term abortion in her pregnancy.
Guess it's only okay for him and his family, but not for the rest of us peasants.
- 4 votes
There's a return to traditional values, which I'm not against, then there is regression. Santorum is all about regression.
- 5 votes
#13 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:15 AM ESTApparently he's not familiar with the concept of "If you don't like how you're life is going then do something to CHANGE it!" He also can't seem to comprehend the concept of NOT going through with a rape-induced pregnancy being what's in the best interests of the health and well-being of the rape victim. A person who possess no sense of compassion or empathy should not be in a position of authority over other people.
- 10 votes
#14 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:28 AM ESThey rick,
some of us dont believe in god...stop trying to push your religion on the whole world... if you are so into the constitution then The First Amendment provides that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." so your premise that you can not have an abortion because god gave you a gift is flawed... i for one do not believe in abortion, but i would never think for one second that i was above someone else for making their own decision on this matter...
PLEASE take your tin foil brigade and go home....your type is the worst thing this country needs right now.
- 12 votes
#15 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:55 AM ESTFirst, let me clearly state that I am 100% pro-choice and I abhor the message and the tactics of the so-called "pro-lifers" (frankly, I never met anyone who isn't pro-life, so I also abhor the BS name they have selected for themselves and it angers me that pro-choicers let them get away with controlling the debate by labeling both sides of the issue). Nevertheless, Santorum is consistent and clear in his position: If a fetus in utero is a "life" and that "life" has rights that trump the mother's right to terminate it, then why shouldn't that apply to fetuses regardless of how they were created - except perhaps to save the life of the mother. The particular reason why I support Santorum's conclusions is because it reveals the irrational, misogynistic, uber-religious and non-negotiable position of the "pro-lifers" and the mission creep that is their agenda, ultimately to ban contraception and sex for non-creative purposes. So let Santorum be Santorum; he's the best friend the pro-choice movement has.
- 3 votes
#16 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:05 AM ESTSantorum wants people to make the best of a bad situation - kind of like when his wife was shacked up with the abortion doctor (the doctor who actually delivered her) - it wasn't perfect being a pro lifer living with an abortion doctor - but his business did allow her to live the life of luxury....making the best of a bad situation so to speak!
- 4 votes
#17 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:21 AM ESTit had to be the vest talking you know the one that gives him power!! For no person with an ounce of compassion for their fellow man would even say anything like that!
POS
- 4 votes
#18 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:23 AM ESTI believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created - in the sense of rape - but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you.
This coming from Little Ricky who's wife once was a live-in lover to the first abortion doctor in Pennsylvania. The same abortion doctor delivered Mrs Santorum at birth! These are truly strnge people!
Now these 2 pussweasels are crusading against contraceptives too!
And of course once you're in effect "forced" to have the child of a rapist...don't look to Santorum or any of these other bible totin' Rtea party frauds for one penny to help pay your massive medical bills or to feed that little hungry bastard baby!
- 4 votes
#19 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:23 AM ESTHow can he say that it's "not a matter of religious values" and then say that a pregnancy resulting from sexual assault is a "gift from God"? First of all, hypocrite! Second of all, he can't make medical/health/scientific decisions based on his superstitious, misguided beliefs.
In one way, I am glad he is as openly crazy fundamentalist as he is...at least we know what we are dealing with and the majority of Americans, I think, would never elect someone so off-the-charts conservative. Hell, even a majority in Mississippi (my state) voted to reject the personhood amendment!
- 7 votes
#20 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:43 AM ESTHow can he say that it's "not a matter of religious values" and then say that a pregnancy resulting from sexual assault is a "gift from God"?
The same way many of his bible buddies say "family values" right before going hiking in the Appalachian Mountains!
- 7 votes
Hell, even a majority in Mississippi (my state) voted to reject the personhood amendment!
I was never so proud of Mississippi!
- 6 votes
#21 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:50 AM ESTYou and me both. I was a little nervous there for a while, but we (the rational, reasonable Mississippians) pulled it together and put it down. Unfortunately, I hear the legislature is working on introducing a new bill this year along the same lines, although I'm not sure if the language is the same as that stupid amendment proposal last year.
- 4 votes
So if say an 11 year old GIRL is attacked, beaten, raped and becomes pregnant she should tax her small body to give birth and either give the baby up for abortion or keep that baby. How would she support it or would her parents have to support it. What about this young GIRLS mental health.
Yes, ruin this entire families life since this GIRL was attacked.
- 9 votes
#22 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:07 AM ESTPrayer will heal all of her mental wounds. Prayer wil provide Gerber baby food and prayer will provide Pampers.
Prayer answers all Ricky Santorum questions!
If you are raped you must have that bastard child or god will not love you!
- 7 votes
If you believe abortion is murder..there are no exceptions.
- 1 vote
there are no exceptions
That's why the Supreme Court gave women the right to choose. End of story.
When American is ruled by Christian Mullahs, we can then divine Bible law across the land. Until that day, we enjoy the secular freedoms of our US Constitution.
- 10 votes
If you believe abortion is murder..there are no exceptions.
... then you have no grasp on reality!
- 10 votes
Then what about miscarriages? Is Mother Nature a murderer????
- 5 votes
What about miscarriages....what do they have to do with people that believe abortion is murder?
- 1 vote
Do you realize that you are not making any sense?
Abortion generally means that a pregnancy was purposefully terminated / induced.
- 1 vote
If you believe abortion is murder..there are no exceptions.
Pretty much, if they wish to be consistent and true to the term. In a pro-life context, how do rape and incest exceptions make ideological sense? The answer: they don't. If someone is pro-life, abortion is not something defined by the circumstances of the pregnancy.
A miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion, Hello!!!
But that's "allowed" because it's God doing it. Or they blame the woman, not 100% certain on the pro-life consensus on that one. Whatever the case, pro-lifers are against people causing the abortion, directly or indirectly. Celestial beings need not apply in the calculation.
Do you realize that you are not making any sense?
You get that a lot with people who don't understand the topics they are discussing. Just smile and nod.
- 3 votes
Not sure which state (but I think it's either Texas, Iowa, or S.C.) jails your for "infantcide" or something like that unless YOU can prove it was a spontaneous miscarriage..
This from Iowa:
http://josh-of-arc.newsvine.com/_news/2010/02/17/3909456-pregnant-woman-jailed-for-having-thought-about-abortion
This from LA.:
http://shannoscubie.newsvine.com/_news/2011/05/24/6710164-la-house-committee-approves-ban-on-abortions
- 2 votes
I'm making perfect sense. If abortion is murder what difference does is make if Mother Nature does it or one gets it done? It is still the end of a pregnancy. It stands to reason that abortion is NOT murder.
- 2 votes
To those who insist on calling abortion "murder," fine. Consider it justifiable homicide, if you must. Some homicides are legal.
We don't force citizens in this country to use their body's physiological functions to keep another person alive. And if you want to consider a zygote/embryo/fetus a "person," fine. It doesn't matter. We don't have mandatory blood donation, tissue typing or kidney donation (or organ harvesting after death without the person's prior consent) in this country. And we don't have conscripted pregnancy either, regardless of the reason. The state has no claim whatsoever on one's organs or bodily functions, even if it means saving another person, whether it's someone who will die today without a kidney donation or a fetus that will be aborted today. It doesn't matter.
- 6 votes
newsblog903
I'm making perfect sense.
Not so much...using your logic there is no difference between death by natural causes or somebody being smothered with a pillow...
- 1 vote
newsblog903 said:
I'm making perfect sense. If abortion is murder what difference does is make if Mother Nature does it or one gets it done? It is still the end of a pregnancy. It stands to reason that abortion is NOT murder.
The difference is that a person is doing it, as I mentioned above.
Listen, I'm pro-choice, and I'm telling you that your argument does not make sense, and in fact merely serves to make pro-lifers think that pro-choicers are idiots, along with your inability to read.
Your argument is full of holes, as Independent quickly pointed out.
I'm probably radically pro-choice, more so than the average pro-choicer, but I have to agree that the spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) comparison is a little disingenuous. I think we all know that the pertinent issue in abortion rights is choice, consent and proactive control over one's own life, body and life choices. And that's not involved in a miscarriage, which is called "spontaneous" abortion for a reason. That's sort of like comparing watering your garden (your choice) to a broken pipe (not your choice) or a flood ("act of god").
- 1 vote
Those who put words in "God's" mouth and make up crap like the product of rape is "God's gift" are the disingenuous and deluded ones. It is this concrete thinking that is not logical. And for the sake of all that is sane, why tell a woman she is a murderer if she chooses abortion? Get real people, a loving God would never condemn would it? Oh yea, unless you believe in some hateful, vengeful god like Santorum does.
- 2 votes
Yeah, you're still not reading or understanding.
Just keep in mind that I don't see many people here are agreeing with what Santorum said.
if you believe rape is a vilent(not an intentional misspelling, just a combination of vile and violent) crime, you should also believe that the victim should be permitted to avail herself of any remedy availabe to erase all memory of the event. it is not the business of male politicians to tell female victims of rape how to deal with the products of that rape.
- 7 votes
#25 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:31 AM ESTit is not the business of male politicians to tell female victims of rape how to deal with the products of that rape.
Especially since the GOTP want to get rid of and gut every single program out there to help her get the help she needs, either for the rape itself, for the pregnancy, or the actual child rearing.
- 1 vote
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